My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

hi :)

BDS is coming up rather quickly and i've been doing some personal planning for
it today. i realized in one of those "i just realized the obvious, doh!"
moments that i have very little idea of what others are planning and hoping
for the event. it was a quick hop from there to realize that probably nobody
knew what i planned and hoped for either.

given that this is one of the most important events in KDE's annual calendar,
this was a little shocking to me once i thought about it. i'd like to help
make BDS a raging success this year for us (and i'm sure you all want and
expect the same :) and it would help if i (and others) could arrive with some
idea of what we're all arriving with in terms of expectations.

so .. here are my primary goals:

* push Plasma further forward by meeting with others who are contributing in
person (ok, that one was probably obvious :)

* engage with others involved with our goals set out at Platform 11 for KDE
Frameworks and move that forward with them. a concrete personal goal: have the
Frameworks branches set up in kdelibs and kde-runtime and merge the libplasma2
branches into them.

* share our goals for Plasma Active more openly and explicitly with other
people in the KDE project.

* promote organization and leadership efforts within our community (this is
reflected by my presentation topic :)

* ensure that we get reasonable promotional coverage for BDS: timely content
on the dot, "live" blogging and microblogging ...

* have an enjoyable time with everyone who shows up :)

ok, so there you go. more than you may have wanted to know about my plans and
goals for BDS. i'd enjoy having more goals than the above, but it's already a
lot to accomplish in such a short time there. trying to stay somewhat
realistic ;)

i'm VERY interested in what you are hoping and planning for from your own
attendance at BDS. please share those goals so that we can all arrive more
mentally prepared for what is in store.

p.s. i don't think we should try and discuss the content of our plans in this
thread, as that is obviously what we'll do at BDS :) just knowing what each
other's agendas are, even in sketch, is valuable ...


Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By John Layt at 07/29/2011 - 18:47

On Wednesday 27 Jul 2011 14:40:11 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
1) Catch up on everything I'm behind on due to being mostly offline the last 6
weeks :-) Apologies if people have been waiting for responses, I will get to

2) Do a status check on the Qt5 work we need done, especially the locale and
date/time work.

3) Work out the design for Qt5 time zones with people who actually understand
these things

4) Nag people about git: policies, workflow, documentation, etc.

5) Carry on reviewing/rewriting the TechBase Getting Started articles.

6) Sketch out the plan for the new printing module in Qt 5.1, talk again to
the OpenPrinting guys to guage if recent developments around CPD are good or
bad (x-desktop)

7) Facilitate discussions on colour management (x-desktop)

8) Find Gnome people interested in a shared holidays file format (x-desktop)

9) Find the GeoClue people to discuss what's going on (x-desktop)

10) Discuss the "infrastructure collaboration problem" (x-desktop)

11) Get my butt kicked at volleyball/soccer :-)

12) Sleep? Nah...


Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By Alexander Neundorf at 07/29/2011 - 15:31

On Wednesday 27 July 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:

Here my 2cents:

I'll mostly concentrate on the stuff from Randa.

* upstream stuff into cmake. automoc anyone ?

* get extra-cmake-modules into shape, a package for distributing our cmake
extension scripts

* try to make superbuild (<a href="" title=""></a>)
known and get feedback from packagers, developers etc.

And, last but not least, meet again with the other developers interested and
working on the buildsystem and coordinate future work.
It would be nice if if we could form like a small "KDE buildsystem community",
e.g. we'll also need to make releases for extra-cmake-modules, write
announcements, have a homepage, etc. Some PR would be nice :-)

And since not only KDE guys will be there, maybe we can have some good
discussions with not-yet cmake users.


Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By Alex Fiestas at 07/28/2011 - 05:59

My plans for BDS include:

· Drink Northen German beer
· Pay some beers to some KDE hackers and active community

· Improve the communication between "platform" developers and us
· Draft a plan for colord integration (next thing after krandr is fixed)

· Draft a plan for systemd kde-workspace integration (there are a couple
of things we can do I think)

· Draft a plan for KDE-Workspace XRandR fixes including:
How KWin will react on events
How and WHEN plasma-* will react on events
Fix KWin window sizeing/positioning bugs
Agreed on how to clean geometry.cpp and workspace.cpp files

· Spicy up plasma-desktop development by starting to define some common
ground between the different views out there.

Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By =?UTF-8?Q?Nicol... at 07/30/2011 - 21:01

Alex Fiestas wrote:
That better be optional at runtime :) There aren't that many people who
care about color profiles (but we really need the functionality for those
who do).

Yes, please! :)

Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By John Layt at 08/01/2011 - 16:50

On Sunday 31 Jul 2011 02:01:57 Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
Current policy is all new requirements must be optional unless otherwise
approved on this list, so no worries there.

Anyway, there's a BoF scheduled on Color Management as part of the printing
stream, but it's intended to cover the end-to-end process so all are welcome.

And just a reminder that besides colord there is an existing KDE color
management solution <a href="" title=""></a> that is under active development,
so perhaps we should aim for supporting generic interfaces and standards
rather than a particular implementation.



Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By Andrea Diamantini at 07/28/2011 - 05:47

On 07/27/2011 03:40 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
My plans for the desktop summit are

* finally meet people behind some nicks

* understand a bit better (and eventually organize) this "active browser"

* try to organize a sort of meeting (annual?) for people interested in
"web/network applications" (konquers, rekonquers, kdewebkitters &
khtmlers, kioers, nice girls, etc..)


Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By Martin =?ISO-88... at 07/28/2011 - 01:59

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:40:11 +0200, "Aaron J. Seigo" < ... at kde dot org>

Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By Myriam Schweingruber at 07/28/2011 - 03:35

Hi all

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:59, Martin Gräßlin < ... at kde dot org> wrote:
Interestingly these plans all sound great for Akademy, but since it is
a Desktop Summit I would love to hear what cross-desktop plans there
are within our community. Or am I the only one missing something here?

Regards, Myriam

Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By Aaron J. Seigo at 07/28/2011 - 05:59

On Thursday, July 28, 2011 09:35:57 Myriam Schweingruber wrote:
i don't think you're missing anything; it's just that my near-term priorities
are fairly KDE centric right now, which is a reflection of the current state
of the projects i am most involved in right now. others will have x-desktop
plans / hopes / aspirations for their time at BDS.

the people working on telepathy, secret service, dconf, nepomuk/zeitgeist,
etc. etc. spring to mind.

and that's why i've asked for what people are planning / wanting to be doing
at BDS so we can all get a reasonable feel for things like "who should i hunt
down for x-desktop topics because i also have interest in those topics..." :)

Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By Sebastian =?utf... at 07/27/2011 - 18:41

On Wednesday, July 27, 2011 15:40:11 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
One of my goals is to take steps to make the release team more scalable, and
reduce its bus numbers. While we really bring out a lot of release, and nearly
all of them in time as planned, I think we need to work on two things:

* Make Dirk and me replacable -- we have no plans to stop with release team
duties, but since it's such a critical task, and ever getting bigger, we
need more people we can fall back onto.

* The Git migration wasn't exactly a walk in the park, there was lots of last-
minute futzing, not everything was clear and I think we put more work than
necessary onto various downstreams by changing layout of our tarballs

I think overall we're doing pretty well, just that we can do better here and

...and that. :)

Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By =?UTF-8?Q?Nicol... at 07/27/2011 - 18:54

Sebastian Kügler wrote:
Surely you mean increase :) A bus number of 1 means the team has a single
point of failure.

Re: My Plans, Your Plans: Berlin Desktop Summit

By Sebastian =?utf... at 07/28/2011 - 05:17

On Thursday, July 28, 2011 00:54:50 Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
Ah, yes of course. Increase bus number, reduce risk. :)