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OT: good free email service ?

Dear All,

I know it is an oxymoron: good free ... service ;-)

Still, can someone recommend good free email service?

I definitely will not go with google, Microsoft, Apple. I don't have
same strong feeling about yahoo as I have about above, but...

Anyway, thanks in advance for all your advises.

Valeri

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Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247
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Comments

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Steven Stern at 12/02/2018 - 14:20

On 11/9/18 10:20 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
pop, imap, 2FA

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Vic Chester at 11/09/2018 - 12:22

<a href="https://protonmail.com/" title="https://protonmail.com/">https://protonmail.com/</a>

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018, 11:21 AM Valeri Galtsev < ... at kicp dot uchicago.edu
wrote:

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Sorin Srbu at 11/12/2018 - 02:55

+1 on Protonmail!
I like their mindset.

My private mail is on Gmail.
I use Yahoo for signing up on stuff, where I expect spam to be, uh,
expected.

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Warren Young at 11/09/2018 - 16:07

On Nov 9, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Vic Chester < ... at gmail dot com> wrote:
Aside from semi-charitable organizations like that, I wouldn’t expect good free email service to exist. It’s seriously complicated to run a properly-configured email server.

The last time I looked into it, there were something like 24 separate RFCs an SMTP-only server had to implement, and much of that complexity spills over into the administration side, such as DKIM setup. Then you have everything outside of the protocol such as spam filtering, blacklist/greylist/whitelist maintenance, TLS key updates, OS updates, etc.

Expect to pay for what you use, either by throwing a whole lot of your own time at it or paying someone to spend that time on your behalf. Unless you’re doing this for educational or professional reasons, where the time spent is paid back handsomely, it’s probably a better trade to pay someone to handle it for you.

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Alice Wonder at 11/10/2018 - 04:22

On 11/09/2018 12:07 PM, Warren Young wrote:
Plus there's constantly dealing with spam lists.

I run my own, using postfix + dovecot + roundcube, but because I can't
afford my own subnet - I end up constantly on spam blacklists when
someone else on my subnet sends spam.

The blacklists don't care that I've had these IP addresses for years,
never spam, etc. - they just see someone on the subnet spam and they
blacklist the entire subnet and you have to fill out their form to get
removed, often to just be added again in a week.

It's a real pain the arse.

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Mike Burger at 11/10/2018 - 19:45

On 2018-11-10 03:22, Alice Wonder wrote:
FWIW, I used to run my mail server at home, on my own private IP
(through my ISP). When I moved, in May, I had to switch providers and
they didn't offer static IP for home users, so I've moved my DNS and
mail server to the cloud.

Between the two of them, they cost me about $50/month...not cheap, but
my IP isn't automatically on blacklists and I control everything,
including inbound spam protection.

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Alice Wonder at 11/10/2018 - 19:55

On 11/10/2018 03:45 PM, Mike Burger wrote:
I use Linode - sometimes it will go many months w/o being put on a
blacklist, sometimes its a lot more common, I think they rotate IP
assignment and when unused IP addresses on my subnet are not being
assigned to new accounts there is no issue.

I just wish the spam lists would do a better job at realizing a
well-aged domain that's been on the same IP address for years isn't a
spammer and shouldn't be part of the blacklist.

In many respects I see it as a net neutrality issue, pushing everyone
into the big providers that do their own share of spamming yet are never
blacklisted because they are too big to blacklist.

I'm thinking about trying to design a DKIM based white list, e.g. if
DKIM validates from aged domain that doesn't have positive spaminess to
it, skip the IP based spam checks.

But even if I came up with something, the big e-mail companies wouldn't
care to use it, they have no financial motive to and every financial
motive not to (forces users into their tracking ecosystem)

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Niki Kovacs at 11/12/2018 - 18:32

Le 11/11/2018 à 00:55, Alice Wonder a écrit :
I've been running my own mail server for the last five years or so. In
my humble experience, spam lists are about as subtle and discerning as
the bouncer at the door of our local night club. Everyone who's even
remotely non-white doesn't get in. You may be a doctor or a teacher, he
just won't care. On the other hand, all rednecks are welcome.

:o)

Niki

Re: OT: good free email service ?

By Gregory P. Ennis at 11/10/2018 - 13:42

On 11/09/2018 12:07 PM, Warren Young wrote:
Plus there's constantly dealing with spam lists.

I run my own, using postfix + dovecot + roundcube, but because I can't 
afford my own subnet - I end up constantly on spam blacklists when 
someone else on my subnet sends spam.

The blacklists don't care that I've had these IP addresses for years, 
never spam, etc. - they just see someone on the subnet spam and they 
blacklist the entire subnet and you have to fill out their form to get 
removed, often to just be added again in a week.

It's a real pain the arse.
Dear Valeri,

Although I could not agree more with what everyone has said about the difficulty of having
your own mail server, I believe it is still worthwhile. I would encourage you to do it
yourself or be willing to pay someone else to provide the service for you. In my opinion
you can't pay them enough :) If you manage your own, at least you will have privacy and the
ability to control your own information.

Good Luck!!!

Greg