Proven packagers - stop messing with other people packages!!

Hello folks,

I do not want to point any fingers, so I'll be adressing this to all proven

Stop messing with other people packages without trying to contact them via
e-mail/IRC, or openind new BZ!
Especially when you see they are actively maintaining the package and your
changes are not critical for Fedora to function/boot.

Fedora proven packagers policy (
<a href="" title=""></a>) explicitly says:
"Provenpackagers should try to communicate with owners of a package in
bugzilla, irc or email prior to making changes. They should be careful not
to change other people's packages needlessly and try to do the minimal
changes required to fix problems, ..."

Last note to proven packagers: You're not BDFLs - so start acting according
to it. Thank you!

David Kaspar [Dee'Kej]
*Associate Software Engineer*
*Brno, Czech Republic*

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Re: Proven packagers - stop messing with other people packages!!

By Christian Dersch at 12/04/2017 - 08:44

Hi all,

sorry but I think this mail goes into the completely wrong direction… You
claim that you don't want to point any fingers, but instead you blame *all*
proven packagers, including me. I claim that I respect the policies for
example. Only reason to use the rights are pure rebuilds for me, in case of
soname bumps and already broken dependencies. So when things are already
broken and a rebuild solves it. For changes in packages I used Bugzilla for
long time. Now we have pagure with its very nice pull request mechanism I use
in these cases to work with the maintainer. I know many other (proven)
packagers doing the same. So blaming all of them… sorry… NO!

I know what you want to say though, as I also know that *some* proven
packagers abuse their rights. I also had that situation with few of my
packages, but I managed this with the specific proven packager then. If some
proven packagers abuses his access again and again, an issue has to be filed
@FESCo, so they can instruct the packager and maybe remove the proven packager
rights later in case of another abuse.


On Monday 4 December 2017 13:33:09 CET David Kaspar [Dee'Kej] wrote:

Re: Proven packagers - stop messing with other people packages!!

By Zbigniew =?utf-... at 12/04/2017 - 08:13

On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 01:33:09PM +0100, David Kaspar [Dee'Kej] wrote:
Hi Dee'Kej,

you must be aware that there are hundreds of proven packagers doing hundreds
of changes on hundreds of packages at various points in time.
If you say neither which packages you have in mind, modified when, by whom,
or for what purpose, you're very unlikely to reach the right people.

I suggest that you list in a _calm_ technical manner some specific commits
which you think shouldn't have been done under pp policy and why.
Please note that aside from the part you quoted there are other rules which
allow fairly significant actions to be taken by pps assuming certain
procedures are followed, so it may all have been according to policy.


Re: Proven packagers - stop messing with other people packages!!

By Josh Boyer at 12/04/2017 - 08:08

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:33 AM, David Kaspar [Dee'Kej]
< ... at redhat dot com> wrote:
While I'm sure this is well intentioned, it's not actually going to
solve anything. You're shouting at an entire group of people, 99% of
whom likely have no context for what you're upset about.

Perhaps you could provide some examples of what the actual problems are.