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Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2019-03-11)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on
irc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto" title="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto</a>

or run:
date -d '2019-03-11 15:00 UTC'

Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at:
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda">https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda</a>

= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =
F31 System-Wide Change: Move Gold Into A SubpackageOf Binutils
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2097" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2097">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2097</a>
ACCEPTED (+5, 0, -0)

F31 System-Wide Change: Automatic strict inter-package dependencies
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2095" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2095">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2095</a>
ACCEPTED (+4, 0, -0)

F31 System-Wide Change: Python 3.8
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2093" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2093">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2093</a>
ACCEPTED (+8, 0, -0)

require a re-review to unretire packages after 8 weeks instead of 2 weeks
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2089" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2089">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2089</a>
ACCEPTED (+5, 0, -0)

= Followups =

#topic #2096 F31 System-Wide Change: BuildRequires generators
.fesco 2096
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2096" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2096">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2096</a>

#topic #2092 Fedora 31 schedule
.fesco 2092
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2092" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2092">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2092</a>

= New business =

#topic #2101 Fedora 30 incomplete changes
.fesco 2101
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2101" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2101">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2101</a>

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue. The report of the agenda items can be found at
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda">https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda</a>

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco" title="https://pagure.io/fesco">https://pagure.io/fesco</a>, e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

Comments

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2019-03-11)

By Petr Sabata at 03/11/2019 - 13:01

=====================================
#fedora-meeting-1: FESCO (2019-03-11)
=====================================

Meeting started by contyk at 15:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available
at
<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-03-11/fesco.2019-03-11-15.00.log.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-03-11/fesco.2019-03-11-15.00.log.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-03-11/fesco.2019...</a>

Meeting summary
* #2101 Fedora 30 incomplete changes (contyk, 15:02:51)
* LINK: <a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2101" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2101">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2101</a> (contyk, 15:02:56)
* Firefox Wayland by default on GNOME -- FESCo would like to see this
Change land if it would not delay the Beta release. The standard
blocker/exception review will make the final call. If it does not
land in F30 Beta, this Change is Deferred to F31. (contyk,
15:18:02)
* LINK:
<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process#Freeze_exception_bug_principles" title="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process#Freeze_exception_bug_principles">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process#Freez...</a>
(zbyszek, 15:21:42)
* Make BootLoaderSpec-style configuration files the default should be
ready now (contyk, 15:26:01)
* Haskell GHC 8.4 and Stackage LTS 12 -- if the maintainer wants this
change to land in F30, they need to push it as an update bundle,
otherwise defer to F31 (contyk, 15:34:05)
* MongoDB removal -- the Change is implemented, but some dependencies
on removed packages remain. Those should be treated as bugs and
resolved in the usual fashion. (contyk, 15:39:39)
* LINK: <a href="https://pagure.io/pungi-fedora/pull-request/636" title="https://pagure.io/pungi-fedora/pull-request/636">https://pagure.io/pungi-fedora/pull-request/636</a> was the releng
change that blocked it going in for F29 (otaylor, 15:40:47)
* LINK: <a href="https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glibc32/commits/master" title="https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glibc32/commits/master">https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glibc32/commits/master</a>
(mhroncok, 15:42:35)
* glibc32 build adjustments -- not ready; there was no reply since we
moved this to f30. needinfo the change owner to ack it as f31
change. if there is no reply until we evaluate this for f31, we
cancel the change (contyk, 15:46:44)
* Build non-RELRO ELF binaries with .got.plt isolation -- also not
ready; there was no reply since we moved this to f30. needinfo the
change owner to ack it as f31 change. if there is no reply until we
evaluate this for f31, we cancel the change (contyk, 15:48:39)
* Reset locale if not available -- code ready but there's no build
yet; we'll follow the standard fe/blocker process; if it doesn't
land by beta, it will be deferred to f31 (contyk, 15:53:35)

* #2096 F31 System-Wide Change: BuildRequires generators (contyk,
15:55:18)
* LINK: <a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2096" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2096">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2096</a> (contyk, 15:55:22)
* We'll continue the discussion in the ticket for another week.
(contyk, 15:59:41)

* #2092 Fedora 31 schedule (contyk, 16:01:13)
* LINK: <a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2092" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2092">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2092</a> (contyk, 16:01:18)
* AGREED: Fedora 31 schedule is APPROVED (+7, 0, -0) (contyk,
16:19:36)

* #2027 RFC: Module lifecycles (contyk, 16:19:49)
* LINK: <a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2027" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2027">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2027</a> (contyk, 16:19:54)
* LINK:
<a href="https://pagure.io/modularity/working-documents/c/dcd4d53df39b2500e19ad67b323fd90972046d94" title="https://pagure.io/modularity/working-documents/c/dcd4d53df39b2500e19ad67b323fd90972046d94">https://pagure.io/modularity/working-documents/c/dcd4d53df39b2500e19ad67...</a>
(zbyszek, 16:22:19)
* FESCo will review the new proposal within the following week
(contyk, 16:24:28)

* Next week's chair (contyk, 16:24:49)
* ACTION: jforbes will chair next meeting (contyk, 16:25:52)

* Open Floor (contyk, 16:25:57)

Meeting ended at 16:32:44 UTC.

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Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2019-03-11)

By Petr Sabata at 03/11/2019 - 08:31

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 09:56:35AM +0100, Petr Šabata wrote:
+

#topic #2027 RFC: Module lifecycles
.fesco 2027
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2027" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2027">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2027</a>

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2019-03-11)

By Petr Sabata at 03/11/2019 - 04:03

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 09:56:35AM +0100, Petr Šabata wrote:
Note the meeting is scheduled in UTC, so if you just switched
to DST, the meeting time changed for you.

P