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Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

Was this on purpose? Fx 57 is BETA, and I was under the impression that
BETA software was for RAWHIDE.

Yes, I understand there is an annotation NOT to push Fx 57 to stable - but
I thought that was the purpose of updates testing... software there is
intended to be tested and pushed to stable.

There are many extensions which aren't yet available for Fx 57 - and we're
effectively moving up the timetable by putting it in updates testing.

Comments

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By Martin Stransky at 10/11/2017 - 10:38

On 10/11/2017 03:17 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
To be clear here, my intention was to enable early testing of new
Firefox 57 release which also includes the CSD patch [1].

If there's no interest for such package I'll pull that out and you can
expect regular FF57 update when the time comes. Please speak out at #BZ [2].

And no, I'm not going to create COPR builds for that - it does not
contain required NSS/NSPR packages and building from git is broken.

ma.

[1] <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1399611" title="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1399611">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1399611</a>
[2] <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1500806" title="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1500806">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1500806</a>

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By Martin Stransky at 10/11/2017 - 09:32

On 10/11/2017 03:17 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
It's going to be stable in one month. Fx 57 release date is 2017-11-14.

I expect the testing repo is used by experienced users who wish to test
software planned for Fedora thus I don't see any problem here.

Do you think it's better when it suddenly appears on stable at
2017-11-14? I do not.

ma.

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By Tomasz Torcz at 10/11/2017 - 09:52

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 03:32:07PM +0200, Martin Stransky wrote:
It's *updates*-testing repo and software in it should not be 'planned',
but basically 'ready' for Fedora.
If you want testing repo for experienced users, use COPR.

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By Martin Stransky at 10/11/2017 - 10:00

On 10/11/2017 03:52 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
I don't see it that way. Is that your personal statement or is that
written in any Fedora rules? I don't see that at Fedora page [1].

Also, the COPR suffers from some drawbacks - can't easily build from
Fedora or other git repo [2].

ma.

[1] <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Updates_Testing" title="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Updates_Testing">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Updates_Testing</a>
[2] I know it's supposed to work but the work flow is somehow
complicated and uneasy and it's broken from time to time (actually right
now).

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By Till Hofmann at 10/11/2017 - 10:23

On 10/11/2017 04:00 PM, Martin Stransky wrote:

The very first sentence of the page you linked above:
The point is that your update is not intended to ever make it to the
stable update, i.e., it is not "scheduled to be released" for anything.
If I understood correctly, you want people to test the beta version and
then eventually submit the final release (i.e., not this update) to
stable. I don't think that's how the updates-testing repository is
supposed to be used. Instead, it should only contain updates that will
eventually make it into stable.

Regards,
Till

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By Stephen Gallagher at 10/11/2017 - 10:29

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:26 AM Till Hofmann < ... at fedoraproject dot org>
wrote:

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By =?UTF-8?Q?M=c3=... at 10/11/2017 - 09:46

On 10/11/17 08:32, Martin Stransky wrote:
Will an older version (either 56 or the ESR version, 52) also be
included in Fedora 27 as a separate package?

-Mat

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By Martin Stransky at 10/11/2017 - 09:55

On 10/11/2017 03:46 PM, Mátyás Selmeci wrote:
Note: There's also IceCat browser available at Fedora:

<a href="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/icecat" title="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/icecat">https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/icecat</a>

ma.

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By Martin Stransky at 10/11/2017 - 09:53

On 10/11/2017 03:46 PM, Mátyás Selmeci wrote:
No, we (Red Hat Desktop team) will ship Firefox 57 only as well as
Mozilla does. Of course anyone can create/maintain additional Firefox
packages (ESR, Developer edition...) for Fedora as I mentioned many
times before.

This is also reason why I created this update for testing so early.

ma.

Re: Why is Fx 57 in Updates Testing?

By M A Young at 10/11/2017 - 10:08

The problem is that Fedora 27 is still getting updates from
updates-testing at the moment (until the final freeze scheduled for
2017-10-17) so anyone running dnf update on F27 will get Firefox 57 at the
moment.

Michael Young