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Outlook installation

Dear team,

I am using Ubuntu 18.04 and wanted to use ms outlook! Is it possible??

Regards
Pin2

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Re: Outlook installation

By compdoc at 04/10/2019 - 09:13

I used Outlook for about 10 years and still support it for customers. It
has some great features, but the calendar is one of the most used.

But because I use linux I needed a replacement and found that
Thunderbird runs well on Windows and Ubuntu. It has the ability to sync
its calendar with Google's calendar, so all my appointments and
reminders are using Google like an Exchange server.

Thunderbird is faster than Outlook and in some ways works better, but
you have to take some time to learn how to use the gui.

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/10/2019 - 09:35

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 15:16, compdoc < ... at hotrodpc dot com> wrote:
Agreed. This is the killer feature -- the integrated address book and
calendar along with email. No other company offers anything quite like
it.

Agreed again.

I use Thunderbird at work, and it's connected to 2 IMAP accounts, 2
company address books via LDAP, and has a company calendar, a personal
calendar and my Google calendar.

At home I used to use it with multiple accounts: Gmail, Hotmail,
Yahoo, my 27 year old CIX account, and any ISP bundled email accounts.
The same app working identically on Linux, macOS X and Windows. I
still occasionally use it on all 3.

I personally find it easier to use and understand, but it is based on
the Netscape Communicator code from 1997. It is a very "mature" app.
(I.e., it's old.) So although I find its core functionality easy,
simple and familiar, it is very feature-rich -- it is probably the
single most feature-rich email client there's ever been. So things can
be buried and hard to find.

However, it works very well. And it will talk to Exchange _if_
Exchange Server has the relevant industry-standard mail protocols
configured.

Re: Outlook installation

By Peter Flynn at 04/10/2019 - 10:28

On 10/04/2019 14:35, Liam Proven wrote:
Hiri provides it too.

FFS I sound like a walking advert :-) I just use the thing.

I use Tbird for all my non-Exchange accounts, because it works in the
traditional manner like all other email clients do (including the
Outlook Express that used to be shipped with Windows, and maybe still
is). It does almost everything, and there are plugins for almost
everything else. Its editor is not the best, but then email editors are
universally horrible except for Emacs RMAIL :-) Tbird also makes it
trivial to move messages between accounts by dragging and dropping them.

The only thing really missing is the ability to re-thread replies that
were sent by poorly-written mailers or poorly-trained users: the ones
which pop up as new threads even though they have Re: and an existing
subject. Fortunately I still run mutt which will fix this for you.

P

Re: Outlook installation

By Karl Auer at 04/10/2019 - 04:49

On Wed, 2019-04-10 at 11:39 +0530, Pin2 wrote:
Anything is *possible*, it just depends on how much pain you want to
inflict on yourself. Various methods include:

- run it in a virtual running Windows
- run it in WINE (probably won't work)
- dual boot into Windows for when you want to do email

To be perfectly honest, the real answer is probably "no". Not if you
want to run it on Linux in any meaningful way. If there are specific
features of Outlook that you need, that no other mail client can give
you, then you are probably stuck with running it on Windows. Or use the
OWA web client.

Linux has a plethora of excellent mail clients, and there are a zillion
web clients. Ten minutes talking to Uncle Google will turn up a dozen
options for you to try.

Regards, K.

Re: Outlook installation

By oxy via ubuntu-users at 04/10/2019 - 08:07

10 April 2019 at 18:49, Karl Auer wrote:
Re: Outlook installation (at least in part)

Or DuckDuckGo i fyou find Google tooooooo invasive ;->)

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/10/2019 - 08:22

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:09, Grizzly via ubuntu-users

There is that, yes, but TBH trying not to use Google at all is
basically impossible.

Q.v.

<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/04/09/heres-the-shocking-reality-of-completely-blocking-google-from-your-life" title="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/04/09/heres-the-shocking-reality-of-completely-blocking-google-from-your-life">https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/04/09/heres-the-shockin...</a>

Re: Outlook installation

By rikona at 04/10/2019 - 16:32

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:22:53 +0200

Wow - that is a very interesting article. Thanks for the post. And her
other articles are equally interesting - and disturbing. I didn't
realize the magnitude of the issue...

Re: Outlook installation

By oxy via ubuntu-users at 04/10/2019 - 22:05

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:32:51 -0700, rikona wrote:
I don't ban Google. I'm using 3 services. Actually I found out that
the devil's search engine is the best search engine, alternatives such
as DuckDuckGo can't compete with Google, they fail already when
searching in English and they completely fail when searching in German.
Marbel can't compare to Google Earth. Google Chrome is the only way on
a Linux machine to get access to everything really needed from the
Internet. To really understand what I mean, install IceCat, the
absolute other extreme <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/" title="http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/">http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/</a>, it shows
best the real issues with the Internet, since it isn't Google. Using
IceCat most of the Internet becomes unusable, including a lot of GNU
content. OTOH if I'm willing to give up the Google search engine,
Google Earth and Google Chrome, I unlikely would have to suffer from
anything else. I don't use Uber and Lyft apps, I don't listen to music
via Spotify etc., I even don't own a mobile phone at all. I'm using an
iPadPro, but it is used for audio productions and should be used for
drawing in the future, too. I already own an Apple Pencil 2 , but had
no time to draw until now. And no, I don't use the Apple Cloud. Google
is the devil, but there are way more serious issues regarding Internet
access than Google.

Apropos dealing with the devil:
Roger's Guitar Solo - American Dad
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZPT103UUDs" title="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZPT103UUDs">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZPT103UUDs</a>

I'm serious about IceCat. I've got IceCat installed on Ubuntu and Arch
Linux. It's easy to do, even while it is not available by official
Ubuntu repositories. Test using IceCat only and you'll notice a lot more
issues than a few trackers and Google thingies. That Google is that bad,
because it is that successful, doesn't mean that all the other are less
evil than Google or that it's less dangerous, if you only ban Google
from your live.

Google is evil, but don't focus too much just on Google. Have a look
around! I'm not talking about Instagram and all that crap, nobody
should use anyway. IceCat has got valid reasons to make access to some
websites impossible, websites you consider to be friendly, no Google
involved.

Re: Outlook installation

By oxy via ubuntu-users at 04/10/2019 - 11:23

10 April 2019 at 14:22, Liam Proven wrote:
Re: Outlook installation (at least in part)

Well "So Far" DDG has done everything I would have used google to do, and
better than google for the most part, the only point at which ddg is less
helpful has been finding a good (formated) list of tv season/episode names, but
I can live with that

Re: Outlook installation

By Peter Flynn at 04/10/2019 - 10:20

On 10/04/2019 13:22, Liam Proven wrote:
I like DuckDuckGo but I find its ranking doesn't give me the things I
search for at the top of the (non-ad) results. Plus some sites it
clearly doesn't index at all (places I have searched for that I know
exist, but DDG claims they don't). But give it time...

P

Re: Outlook installation

By oxy via ubuntu-users at 04/10/2019 - 11:29

10 April 2019 at 15:20, Peter Flynn wrote:
Re: Outlook installation (at least in part)

I found some results with ddg that google didn't (it was why I started to use
it) it "may" have been a ranking issue with google putting my results too far
down.

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/10/2019 - 05:35

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 10:51, Karl Auer < ... at biplane dot com.au> wrote:
I confess I've not tried Outlook but some of Office works surprisingly well.

I run Word 97 and 2003 for good reasons. 97 is the oldest (= smallest,
fastest, simplest) version that supports the version 2 .DOC file
format. It runs like lightning on C21 PCs. It works perfectly on WINE:
all the service releases and optional features can be installed and
work fine.

Word 2003 is the last version with the traditional UI. I find later
versions (with the Ribbon) unusable. It too works flawlessly under
CrossOver Office, including updates and service releases, and add-ons
like the Office 2007 file convertors. But I couldn't get it to install
on free WINE

Word 2000, OTOH, I could only install with difficulty and I couldn't
get the service packs to install.

So it depends on version. Old versions are more likely to work.

Agreed.

Notably, GNOME Evolution is quite Outlook-like in operation and I
think it has a connector plugin for Exchange, but this requires either
MAPI or OWA (or both) to be installed/enabled on the Exchange server.

I know from my own experience -- I was a certified Exchange admin
once, in a more painful stage of my career -- that it's a very fragile
and super-complex program, and as such, Exchange admins do not like it
when users ask for server config changes just so that said user can
run a weird nonstandard client OS. ;-)

Re: Outlook installation

By Peter Flynn at 04/10/2019 - 10:17

On 10/04/2019 10:35, Liam Proven wrote:
This is good if you need to read older files. 2003 was the first version
to use XML, and it used WordML rather than OOXML and saved a .xml file
instead of .docx

<rant>
I suppose just a general public warning to upgrade all your Word files
to OOXML by saving as .docx because it is at least readable by other
tools and systems, whereas the antique .doc file format will become
increasingly unreadable as time goes on.
</rant>

Yes, I'd forgotten that: that was the other difference.

It won't, alas. You do need Crossover.

This is why I use Hiri for all my Exchange/O365 accounts. It "just
works"; it picks up your account config (signature, out-of-office
message, etc) from the server. Free it ain't, but for your $39/year or
$119/life it's cheap and reliable and runs on Linux, Macs, and Windows.

Peter

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/10/2019 - 12:31

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 16:20, Peter Flynn < ... at silmaril dot ie> wrote:
No, that was 2007. The XML file formats go along with the Ribbon interface.

2003 is the last "old" version of Office in the WinWord 6 to Office
2003 series...

WinWord 1 (doesn't really count: weird clunky UI)
WinWord 2 (better, streamlined UI)
Office 4, with:
- Excel 5 (the oldest Microsoft app for Windows and so the most mature)
- Word 6 (version number bumped to bring it into line with DOS and
Mac Word; menus and toolbars harmonised with Excel)
Office 95, almost identical but 32-bit versions with a Win95 look and
feel, containing:
- Excel 7
- Word 7 (because they wanted all the apps to have the same version
number. Seriously!)
Office 97
- apps v8, new square toolbar buttons, another change in look-and-feel
Office 2000
Office XP
Office 2003

That was the end of the line for the classic menus/toolbars. Then
comes Office 2007, the Ribbon and new file formats.

Which is why I stay with nothing newer than 2003 -- it has the same UI
that I've used since 1993.

I guess. Even 15y later, everything still seems to support .DOC -- the
MS suite, MS Works, LibreOffice/OpenOffice/IBM Symphony, Apple Pages,
etc.

In case of problems with .DOCX in Word 2003, I use LibreOffice to convert it.

I was afraid of that. I have one more trick to try but I'm not confident.

Fair enough. Happily my life is currently MS Exchange-free, and I hope
I can keep it that way as long as possible! :-)

Re: Outlook installation

By Peter Flynn at 04/10/2019 - 17:31

On 10/04/2019 17:31, Liam Proven wrote:
I think 2007 was the first to use OOXML and save as .docx

The 2003 copy handed out (all 8 CDs :-) to delegates at the XML
Conference in Philadelphia used WordML and saved a .xml file, but
perhaps that was a preview, not the live 2003 release.

Moot anyway, as I threw out the disks after testing the XML software
(mostly rubbish because it only worked with W3C XSDs and assumed you
were using XML for rectangular data, whereas real-life XML is text
documents).

P

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/11/2019 - 03:34

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 23:33, Peter Flynn < ... at silmaril dot ie> wrote:
Yes. That's the only XML format I've seen emitted by Office.
LibreOffice has its own, of course.

I don't mind XML but I do not like these internally-zipped formats.
With the old formats, you could at least recover raw text from a
damaged file with tools such as the Unix ``strings'' command. With
compressed XML, files contain nothing but line noise.

I haven't looked at any preview releases or anything, so it could be.
I have deployed Office 2003 in production and it defaults to the
standard DOC, XLS, PPT etc. file formats of older versions.

I don't like the textured toolbars but it's straightforward to turn
off the self-customising menus etc. It also uses "wizards" in place of
dialog boxes for some configuration, which is irritating. Those trends
started with Office XP, which has nothing at all to offer.

Office 2000 works fine, has proper dialogs throughout, irritating but
tolerable flat toolbars, and Word 97 has nested tables -- a table
inside a cell of another table -- and highlighting. I don't need
either but others' files contain them and don't render quite right in
Word 97, and LibreOffice can't help.

So Office 97 isn't ideal but it does all I need and more, it's small
and fast, and while it's not great for interworking with newer
versions, as I solely originate content on my Linux machines, it's
fine for me.

But for a project 2y ago, I needed support for huge files -- circa 1GB
file sizes -- and a 1080*1900 portrait screen, which forced me into
using a newer version.

:-D

Re: Outlook installation

By Peter Flynn at 04/11/2019 - 16:46

On 11/04/2019 08:34, Liam Proven wrote:
WordML was slightly different from OOXML. The period during which the
save format was a plain .xml file with embedded Base64-encoded images
was mercifully short.

I don't see the problem, I'm afraid. Unzip a .docx file and you have the
XML right there. Extraction of the unmarked text is trivial:

unzip -p file.docx word/document.xml | sed -e "s/<[^>]*>//g"

(Better to use proper XML utilities such as LTXML2, but OOXML is unique
among document formats in not using white-space in element content, so
there are usually no newlines over which start-tags might have been split.)

What we were handed out must have been the pre-release of whatever
followed.

I can't imagine the horror of actually having to use a wordprocessor for
doing actual writing, though. I'm a plaintext person.

P

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/12/2019 - 03:49

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 22:48, Peter Flynn < ... at silmaril dot ie> wrote:
I did a little Googling and you're right -- apparently Office 2003
does have XML support, and it's a pre-OOXML definition. It's not the
default format, though, and I've actually never seen it. But I only
have Word installed, nothing else.

I repeat myself with emphasis:

I don't care what you can do with an intact, working file. So long as
it works, all is fine. It's when it doesn't work and the customer gets
a corrupted file that I often got called in.

A corrupted Zip is junk. A corrupted .DOC can have the raw text
extracted, simply and easily.

The #1 way of recovering a corrupted MS Office file is to open it in
LibreOffice, but there were about 2 decades of doing this when
LibreOffice didn't exist and I had to do it by hand.

As I said: before the tech-writing stage of my career, I almost never
touched XML directly. Happier times.

I only use Word for 1 thing. The outliner. I seem to be the only
person left who knows it's there.

No other editor in the world offers me the power of the Word outliner.

Trying to edit text -- plain, formatted, XML, whatever -- in a flat
text editor is _painful_ to me, and nobody understands what we have
lost. Outliners were _everywhere_ in the 1980s and early 1990s. The
most successful pre-MS Office presentation package for the Mac was
MORE! which was an enhanced outliner.

I can't described how brain-damaged and broken flat editors are to
someone who doesn't know how to use an outliner. All I can offer is
approximate comparisons.

Say you are used to a powerful editor such as Vim or Emacs, or even
Gedit or Notepad++. And I take it off you and instead I give you:

copy con: file.txt

That is what using a flat editor feels like when compared to an
outliner. I have been deprived of the single most powerful editing
tool there is -- structure -- and it doesn't matter how many macros,
regexes, and fancy editor syntax. If the file is flat, it's crippled.

Formatting, schmormatting. I don't care. It does that. I don't use it.
Mostly all I need is bold, underline, italic and unformatted for code
snippets. Markdown does most of what I need.

But without folding, without hiding, without collapsing down to
headers, navigating, expanding, unfolding, etc. they are all just toys
to me.

Outliners don't make a text file 3-dimensional, but it's a sort of 2.5
D. There's structure and it helps.

It would be _ideal_ for HTML and XML. But nothing understands it.
Oxygen has a very clumsy block-hiding function but it's hopelessly
clumsy. It needs to be in-stream, in file, as part of the document or
it's worthless to me.

Re: Outlook installation

By Mike Marchywka at 04/14/2019 - 10:35

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 09:49:44AM +0200, Liam Proven wrote:
Well I'm replying to the wrong message in this thread but I'm now using
neomutt on a paranoid test basis. It seems to work with yahoo and gmail
now playing with hotmail. I will have to set some things to make it
more intuitive but I think I can build neomutt and mbsync locally so am all
set. I was not sure how mbsync is supposed to work but apparently with
the settings I used if the imap server died it thought it fetched a
message that was blank and would not try later so I'm still looking into
that.

I actually like having some ads and text ads that don't destroy
performance would be ok... But at 20Mbytes/add nothing works on my
machine.

As far as the discussion of file formats goes, I'm not sure latex would
be worse than html for email messages. It does require more to render
into the intended document but the source is quite readable so you may
not need to render it :)

Thanks.

Re: Outlook installation

By Peter Flynn at 04/12/2019 - 05:05

Sorry, I missed the damaged bit. I'm lucky, I've never had anyone come
to me with a corrupted Word file since the days of Win95.

What there is of it. But for me this is an extreme edge case.

By hand is usually better.

:-) org-mode

I remember using outliners in the days of WordPerfect. Even their ill-fated
version for Linux had it.

Most XML editors have the equivalent, which is to show a structure view,
to whatever selected depth you want, with each item openable by clicking
on the +. But I agree, most writers have never seen an outline.

Yep, that's why outline views are essential. Even LaTeX editors have
them nowadays.

I haven't used oXygen for a while. Fortunately their people are *very*
responsive so I'll see what they say. HTML has no structure anyway, so
it would be fairly useless.

P

Re: Outlook installation

By Tony Arnold at 04/12/2019 - 04:08

Liam,

Have you tried the Navigator in LibreOffice? I've not explored it
fully, but it does at least allow you to move section/subsections
around. Not sure about collapsing etc., as I don't have a sufficiently
complex document to try it out at the moment.

Regards,
Tony.

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/12/2019 - 04:20

Yes. It's beyond useless. It's like going from MS-DOS 1 Edlin to
MS-DOS 2 Edlin. There's no measurable change in utility.

Re: Outlook installation

By Mike Marchywka at 04/10/2019 - 06:09

Is there anything I can use to download my hotmail? I've recently become
aware that hotmail uses about 200-300M just to display maybe 50 text subject
line in chromium even before spawning off another 100-200M of ad subframes.
On a system with less than a Gb of memory this means nothing runs. I guess I could
just say I need more memory but it is annoying not having any idea what it could possibly
do usefully with all that memory especially when the "mail" command and text ads would
work better. I have an old 'dohs install with outlook 2007 and "outlook connector" and
want to download all my mail but it never seems to work reliably.

note new address
Mike Marchywka 306 Charles Cox Drive Canton, GA 30115
2295 Collinworth Drive Marietta GA 30062. formerly 487 Salem Woods Drive Marietta GA 30067 404-788-1216 (C)<- leave message 989-348-4796 (P)<- emergency

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/10/2019 - 06:40

(Please could you trim your replies a bit more? It would *really* help
readability...)

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 12:11, Mike Marchywka < ... at hotmail dot com> wrote:
Sure, the settings are widely publicised:

<a href="https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail-oapps/imap-smtp-servers-for-hotmailcom/76e2f1b6-b01d-4686-9640-5760c322063e" title="https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail-oapps/imap-smtp-servers-for-hotmailcom/76e2f1b6-b01d-4686-9640-5760c322063e">https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail-oapps/imap-...</a>

This one also reminds you that you need to enable IMAP/POP3 access
inside Hotmail itself first:

<a href="https://www.betterhostreview.com/hotmail-pop-imap-smtp-settings.html" title="https://www.betterhostreview.com/hotmail-pop-imap-smtp-settings.html">https://www.betterhostreview.com/hotmail-pop-imap-smtp-settings.html</a>

Or:

<a href="https://www.limilabs.com/blog/hotmail-imap-pop3-smtp-settings" title="https://www.limilabs.com/blog/hotmail-imap-pop3-smtp-settings">https://www.limilabs.com/blog/hotmail-imap-pop3-smtp-settings</a>

I just Googled "hotmail imap settings".

Me personally, I have Gmail retrieve my Hotmail (and Yahoo mail) into
labelled folders using POP3. This means 2 levels of spam filtering,
another bonus.

Then on my Mac, the default Mail.app synchs my Gmail inbox to a local
copy in case of disaster...

Re: Outlook installation

By Mike Marchywka at 04/11/2019 - 09:07

Thanks, I started to try Thunderbird see comments below. I'm top posting because for a while now
hotmail refuses to mark reply text in any menu I can find. So, I've been using a script- I copy
the original to clip board, run my script and it writes the marked text back out to paste into homtail
web form. I guess Ideally I'd just like to type "mail" get a bunch of headers and if I am forced to
read hi-tech html mail pipe the message into lynx lol. Thunderbird did use about 30 percent of my
600 or mbytes of RAM so it is still a lot - even the gmail webpage was about 200 or so.

While piping into lynx may be a little much, I have noticed a lot of web math now looks like latex.
If you must send fancy email latex may be nice, no idea if there is now a mime type :)
Compiling a latex document is a lot more effort AFAICT than displaying html but it is easier to make
it human readable.

I tried Thunderbird with two accounts I don't care about - a gmail and yahoo account. The gmail account
appears ok but the thing crashes when I tried to add the yahoo account - sent crash report fwiw.

My only real concern is deleting messages on the hotmail server and IIRC there is some setting for
that when I setup Outlook connector. All I really want to do is download the old messages from hotmail into a flat file
that I can search with grep or index myself and then do incremental downloads. Although having a single
client with single interface that works would help a lot but I'm only using one account now it
does not have basic features in places I can find.

note new address
Mike Marchywka 306 Charles Cox Drive Canton, GA 30115
2295 Collinworth Drive Marietta GA 30062. formerly 487 Salem Woods Drive Marietta GA 30067 404-788-1216 (C)<- leave message 989-348-4796 (P)<- emergency

(Please could you trim your replies a bit more? It would *really* help
readability...)

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 12:11, Mike Marchywka < ... at hotmail dot com> wrote:
Sure, the settings are widely publicised:

<a href="https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail-oapps/imap-smtp-servers-for-hotmailcom/76e2f1b6-b01d-4686-9640-5760c322063e" title="https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail-oapps/imap-smtp-servers-for-hotmailcom/76e2f1b6-b01d-4686-9640-5760c322063e">https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail-oapps/imap-...</a>

This one also reminds you that you need to enable IMAP/POP3 access
inside Hotmail itself first:

<a href="https://www.betterhostreview.com/hotmail-pop-imap-smtp-settings.html" title="https://www.betterhostreview.com/hotmail-pop-imap-smtp-settings.html">https://www.betterhostreview.com/hotmail-pop-imap-smtp-settings.html</a>

Or:

<a href="https://www.limilabs.com/blog/hotmail-imap-pop3-smtp-settings" title="https://www.limilabs.com/blog/hotmail-imap-pop3-smtp-settings">https://www.limilabs.com/blog/hotmail-imap-pop3-smtp-settings</a>

I just Googled "hotmail imap settings".

Me personally, I have Gmail retrieve my Hotmail (and Yahoo mail) into
labelled folders using POP3. This means 2 levels of spam filtering,
another bonus.

Then on my Mac, the default Mail.app synchs my Gmail inbox to a local
copy in case of disaster...

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/11/2019 - 09:38

Try Muitt. Sounds like your sort of thing.

<a href="http://www.mutt.org/" title="http://www.mutt.org/">http://www.mutt.org/</a>

The newer version is Neomutt:

<a href="https://neomutt.org/" title="https://neomutt.org/">https://neomutt.org/</a>

Both are in the Ubuntu repos, I think.

You can manually quote in Hotmail. In Settings tell it to use plain
text, turn off the formatting toolbar options and enable th "use plain
text" button.

Then you need to Select All, which reveals the quoted text, then
manually insert the ">" symbols and bottom-post your reply. Clunky but
doable.

Re: Outlook installation

By Mike Marchywka at 04/11/2019 - 10:06

IIRC I have tried mutt before and may try it again, at the time however I'm not sure why I stopped.

I played with some of the hotmail options as you suggest but my script solution is easier
and I can customise it and make it stable or use it elsewhere. I could even use it for sig
files or extract and save the text etc. This has actually become almost a standard operating
procedure with browsers. For example, it I'm trying to find bibtex after deciding I want
to reference an article currently on my browser, I copy the URL and send it to a script
to find the bibtex for that article. This could just mean extracting a doi from the link
and fetching from crossref of scraping through the file or page looking for either a doi
or other bibtex source. I think there are plugins or something that act similarly but
writing scripts has been educational and I think useful.

Try Muitt. Sounds like your sort of thing.

<a href="http://www.mutt.org/" title="http://www.mutt.org/">http://www.mutt.org/</a>

The newer version is Neomutt:

<a href="https://neomutt.org/" title="https://neomutt.org/">https://neomutt.org/</a>

Both are in the Ubuntu repos, I think.

You can manually quote in Hotmail. In Settings tell it to use plain
text, turn off the formatting toolbar options and enable th "use plain
text" button.

Then you need to Select All, which reveals the quoted text, then
manually insert the ">" symbols and bottom-post your reply. Clunky but
doable.

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/11/2019 - 10:18

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 16:08, Mike Marchywka < ... at hotmail dot com> wrote:
Mutt hasn't seen any big improvements in a while, I believe. There has
been some controversy over whether Neomutt is a fork or the official
future version. AIUI there are a few config-file differences and the
default behaviour may not be identical, but it can be configured to
be.

There's been a small argument in the openSUSE world because Neomutt
has now replaced Mutt in the default Mutt package. A few users were
very unhappy, but when they were told how to configure Neomutt to
behave exactly the same as Mutt, they were happy.

It certainly seems to be the console/text-mode email client of choice
for all the hardcore techies I know. They say things like "who needs
webmail when I can ssh into my box and do all my mail as usual with
Mutt?"

I am a decadent GUI user myself. I have sold my soul to Google. I
still trust Google more than MS (and Apple more than Google).

He said, top-posting. :-D

Mutt can send and receive through Hotmail.

Inbound

Server: imap-mail.outlook.com.
SSL: true-implicit.
Port: 993 (default)
User: <a href="mailto: ... at hotmail dot com"> ... at hotmail dot com</a>

Outbound

Server: smtp-mail.outlook.com.
SSL: true-explicit.
Port: 587 (default)
User: <a href="mailto: ... at hotmail dot com"> ... at hotmail dot com</a>

Re: Outlook installation

By Mike Marchywka at 04/11/2019 - 11:05

Thanks. I decided to try neomutt with gmail first at it looked simple but it would not login.
Instead of cursing at it I logged into gmail which proudly told me
and my other account it had blocked the insecure app that had my correct password arrrgh. I guess I can find the way to turn that off but another wild goose chase...

Usually by the time I get through all the security features I'm too tired and disgusted to make sure anything
secure.... At least with the hard disk thrashing around I can hear progress being made lol.

note new address
Mike Marchywka 306 Charles Cox Drive Canton, GA 30115
2295 Collinworth Drive Marietta GA 30062. formerly 487 Salem Woods Drive Marietta GA 30067 404-788-1216 (C)<- leave message 989-348-4796 (P)<- emergency

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 16:08, Mike Marchywka < ... at hotmail dot com> wrote:
Mutt hasn't seen any big improvements in a while, I believe. There has
been some controversy over whether Neomutt is a fork or the official
future version. AIUI there are a few config-file differences and the
default behaviour may not be identical, but it can be configured to
be.

There's been a small argument in the openSUSE world because Neomutt
has now replaced Mutt in the default Mutt package. A few users were
very unhappy, but when they were told how to configure Neomutt to
behave exactly the same as Mutt, they were happy.

It certainly seems to be the console/text-mode email client of choice
for all the hardcore techies I know. They say things like "who needs
webmail when I can ssh into my box and do all my mail as usual with
Mutt?"

I am a decadent GUI user myself. I have sold my soul to Google. I
still trust Google more than MS (and Apple more than Google).

He said, top-posting. :-D

Mutt can send and receive through Hotmail.

Inbound

Server: imap-mail.outlook.com.
SSL: true-implicit.
Port: 993 (default)
User: <a href="mailto: ... at hotmail dot com"> ... at hotmail dot com</a>

Outbound

Server: smtp-mail.outlook.com.
SSL: true-explicit.
Port: 587 (default)
User: <a href="mailto: ... at hotmail dot com"> ... at hotmail dot com</a>

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/11/2019 - 11:28

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:07, Mike Marchywka < ... at hotmail dot com> wrote:
I've had that.

Hilariously, Gmail treats Gmail as a "less secure app" and to have
Gmail account #1 collect mail from Gmail account #2 you have to enable
"less secure app" access in Gmail a/c #2.

Here's how to turn it off:

<a href="https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en" title="https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en">https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en</a>

Direct link:

<a href="https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps" title="https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps">https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps</a>

Remember, Google is your friend. Don't go hunting through settings
dialogs. Google first.

Re: Outlook installation

By Mike Marchywka at 04/11/2019 - 14:48

Thanks its fetching the headers now. I'll have to see if google sent my mom a note
telling her what I did lol.

Besides google being your friend, I have found that source code is often a better
documentation source than google even with some excellent forums like the overflow/exchange
series. If i really wanted to know what any of these things are doing I can build them and profile.
I'm not going to build a browser on this machine but neomutt is possible.

And if I really want to, I guess I can make up a mime type for my own ideas and
test it with local builds :) Curious now what is involved in rendering a latex document
in email... That sounds a lot worse than html but again the source is almost human readable.

note new address
Mike Marchywka 306 Charles Cox Drive Canton, GA 30115
2295 Collinworth Drive Marietta GA 30062. formerly 487 Salem Woods Drive Marietta GA 30067 404-788-1216 (C)<- leave message 989-348-4796 (P)<- emergency

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:07, Mike Marchywka < ... at hotmail dot com> wrote:
I've had that.

Hilariously, Gmail treats Gmail as a "less secure app" and to have
Gmail account #1 collect mail from Gmail account #2 you have to enable
"less secure app" access in Gmail a/c #2.

Here's how to turn it off:

<a href="https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en" title="https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en">https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en</a>

Direct link:

<a href="https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps" title="https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps">https://myaccount.google.com/lesssecureapps</a>

Remember, Google is your friend. Don't go hunting through settings
dialogs. Google first.

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/11/2019 - 16:42

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 20:51, Mike Marchywka < ... at hotmail dot com> wrote:
:-D

If you can read it. Mostly, I can't. C-like syntax is now the most
popular kind, and I have always found it impenetrable.

Python is better but all the OOPS stuff blows my mind. :-(

Augh! Rather thee than me.

AsciiDoc is OK. I like MediaWiki markup. I'm looking into Org Mode.

Re: Outlook installation

By Mike Marchywka at 04/11/2019 - 19:02

At first yahoo was very slow apparently because I left in some gmail folders when
modfiying the config file but it seems good now. I probably want something like
isync however, that and mbsync seem to be in the Beaver repo, to download
everything for a local copy without deleting from server. Not sure
what other things may exist.

<a href="http://isync.sourceforge.net/" title="http://isync.sourceforge.net/">http://isync.sourceforge.net/</a>

note new address
Mike Marchywka 306 Charles Cox Drive Canton, GA 30115
2295 Collinworth Drive Marietta GA 30062. formerly 487 Salem Woods Drive Marietta GA 30067 404-788-1216 (C)<- leave message 989-348-4796 (P)<- emergency

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 20:51, Mike Marchywka < ... at hotmail dot com> wrote:
:-D

If you can read it. Mostly, I can't. C-like syntax is now the most
popular kind, and I have always found it impenetrable.

Python is better but all the OOPS stuff blows my mind. :-(

Augh! Rather thee than me.

AsciiDoc is OK. I like MediaWiki markup. I'm looking into Org Mode.

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/11/2019 - 09:40

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 15:38, Liam Proven < ... at gmail dot com> wrote:
Here's one I just did as a proof of concept (below sig).

Re: Outlook installation

By Tony Arnold at 04/10/2019 - 05:47

Notably, GNOME Evolution is quite Outlook-like in operation and I

think it has a connector plugin for Exchange, but this requires either

MAPI or OWA (or both) to be installed/enabled on the Exchange server.

Evolution certainly does work with Exchange. I use it all the time with our Exchange 2010 system at work.

It needs the EWS (Exchange Web Services) plugin (package evolution-ews) to work. It has its quirks but works

really well for me.

And I didn't ask our Exchange admins to make any changes to accommodate my needs. I wouldn't

dare!

Regards,

Tony.

Re: Outlook installation

By oxy via ubuntu-users at 04/10/2019 - 06:44

On Wed, 2019-04-10 at 09:47 +0000, Tony Arnold wrote:
Hi,

as an Evolution user subscribed to
<a href="https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list" title="https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list">https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list</a> I need to chime
in.

Note, I'm not an evolution-ews user. However, those evolution-ews
"quirks" are a showstopper for some users, apart from this Evolution is
known to be not well supported for Ubuntu flavours. Evolution is not in
"main", it is in "universe". Software from "universe" not necessarily
suffers from serious issues, but actually Evolution does so, again and
again.

YMMV! But the Evolution mailing list archives confirms my claim, let
alone that I speak from personal experience. On Ubuntu I'm using Claws,
I'm using Evolution on Arch Linux.

Instead of doing other users homework by searching the Evolution mailing
list archives, here a link to the mailing list archive of this list:

<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2019-April/296601.html" title="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2019-April/296601.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2019-April/296601.html</a>

If this is caused by evolution-ews, than already good night! Were is the
end of quoting Liam and where does start Tony's reply? I guess nobody
want's to correspond with business partners by sending broken emails.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:47:20 +0200, Liam Proven wrote:
I'm using wine/wine-staging to run an editor for my guitar synth. It
works like a charm. It once gets broken, when wine/wine-staging was
updated to a new release, something that doesn't happen within an Ubuntu
release. While this didn't happen on Ubuntu, it could happen when
updating to another Ubuntu release.
Way more problematic could become an update of the Windows executable.
An advantage of the guitar synth editor is, that I don't need to update
the guitar synth editor. To fix security issues, somebody using Outlook
needs to update Outlook on a regular basis. Each update of software that
runs using wine, might not run anymore after an update.

In addition the Windows guest suffers from VirtualBox related
performance issues, too and some software, such as the guitar synth
editor can't access the hardware in the needed way, when using
VirtualBox. I run iTunes using a Windows 7 guest. Apart from the
performance and security issues, even VirtualBox could fail after an
VirtualBox update, but at least the software running under the guest OS
is less prone to fail after a guest software security update. Anyway, I
recommend to test Virtualbox. I don't see why wine should be more
secure, let alone that VirtualBox allows to restore the Windows install
from snapshots and from a Linux host backup (as wine does, too). If you
really need Outlook, consider to test VirtualBox with a Windows guest.
VirtualBox is not the best optimized virtual machine, but the most user-
friendly virtual machine and for many tasks a virtual machine could be
way better than using wine/wine-staging.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: Outlook installation

By Tony Arnold at 04/10/2019 - 08:52

Ralf,

On Wed, 2019-04-10 at 12:44 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:
Probably caused by me sending my reply as HTML instead of plain text
and receiving systems not handling HTML mesages.

Does this one look any better?

Regards,
Tony.

Re: Outlook installation

By oxy via ubuntu-users at 04/10/2019 - 13:37

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:52:49 +0000, Tony Arnold wrote:
<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2019-April/296607.html" title="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2019-April/296607.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2019-April/296607.html</a> ;)

Re: Outlook installation

By Liam Proven at 04/10/2019 - 03:47

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 08:11, Pin2 < ... at gmail dot com> wrote:
There are several possible answers.

[1] No, not natively. Use the web version instead.

[2] You could try to run it using WINE. This may work; I use it to run
Word 97 and Word 2003 on my machines, because LibreOffice doesn't have
an outliner. (And the control keys for the menus don't work in LO on
Ubuntu, making it painful to use for me)

[3] If normal free WINE doesn't work, try CrossOver Office.

[4] If even CrossOver can't run the version you want, then run a
Windows VM in Virtualbox (or other hypervisor) and install Outlook in
there. But this means all of the performance and security problems of
real Windows.)

Re: Outlook installation

By Peter Flynn at 04/10/2019 - 04:18

On 10/04/2019 08:47, Liam Proven wrote:
If what you need is a mail client that connects to the Exchange
protocols (as opposed to some specific feature of the Outlook
interface), there is an excellent replacement interface for Outlook
called Hiri (hiri.com). I use this all the time in Linux to do my O365
mail. Free trial period, then something like €35 a year I think, so it
is regular commercial software, but IMHO it's good enough to warrant it.

Otherwise as Liam describes...

P