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Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is blatantly violating the intention of the rightsholders to the Linux Kernel?

Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is blatantly
violating the intention of the rightsholders to the Linux Kernel?
He is also violating the license grant, Courts would not be fooled by
his scheme to prevent redistribution.

The license grant the Linux Kernel is distributed under disallows the
imposition of additional terms. The making of an understanding that the
derivative work must not be redistributed (lest there be retaliation) is
the imposition of an additional term. The communication of this threat
is the moment that GRSecurity violates the license grant. Thence-forth
modification, making of derivative works, and distribution of such is a
violation of the Copyright statute. The concoction of the transparent
scheme shows that it is a willful violation, one taken in full knowledge
by GRSecurity of the intention of the original grantor.

Why does not one person here care?
Just want to forget what holds Libre Software together and go the way of
BSD?

(Note: last month the GRSecurity Team removed the public testing patch,
they prevent the distribution of the patch by paying customers by a
threat of no further business: they have concocted a transparent scheme
to make sure the intention of the Linux rights-holders (thousands of
entities) are defeated) (This is unlike RedHat who do distribute their
patches in the form the rights-holders prefer: source code, RedHat does
not attempt to stymie the redistribution of their derivative works,
GRSecurity does.).

Comments

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By Xen at 06/15/2017 - 13:49

<a href="mailto: ... at airmail dot cc"> ... at airmail dot cc</a> schreef op 15-06-2017 17:34:
You made this discussion on @discuss last December.

You were of the opinion that any copyright violation *MUST* be
prosecuted.

I failed back then to see the need to do so. Why should you care if you
are not effected?

The answer to your question is simply that people are not hurt by it,
and if they were I think you could count on them to see the relevance
themselves. Without convincing.

Even in criminal prosecution there is something called "prosecutorial
discretion". And if no one is hurt, why should they care.

This thought that some kind of natural law mandates action is folly. It
only happens if people care.

You ask why people don't care. Probably because they have better things
to do.

Some of the things you have cited indicate a counter-productive
'response' from this Spengler fellow, in the sense that the more you
nag, the more he will do the opposite of what you want, as people
usually do.

If someone tells me to eat pizza every Sunday, I am sure as hell not
going to eat pizza on a Sunday. And I might even avoid doing it on
purpose just to mess with you.

I told you back then that your approach treated this guy as an enemy,
and you see now that he did as I told you he would, you didn't come
closer to an agreement, but you widened the gap.

Your efforts have an effect opposite to what you intend.

You want to achieve victory by force. Well, good luck.

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By Peter Goggin at 06/15/2017 - 18:30

Can this pointless thread be stopped? If people want to get linux from
a commercial source that is their problem. I get my software from
Ubuntu and could not give a fig for the other distributions. I have
real problems to worry about in my world and do not have the time to
waste on what appears to be pointless stupid rants which achieve nothing.

Regards

Peter Goggin

On 16/06/17 03:49, Xen wrote:

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By aconcernedfossdev at 06/15/2017 - 14:36

This is a different discussion where there has been a significant
development THIS MONTH.
How could the developments of THIS MONTH be made last December.
Does someone have a time machine, Xen?

(Note: last month the GRSecurity Team removed the public testing patch,
they prevent the distribution of the patch by paying customers by a
threat of no further business: they have concocted a transparent scheme
to make sure the intention of the Linux rights-holders (thousands of
entities) are defeated) (This is unlike RedHat who do distribute their
patches in the form the rights-holders prefer: source code, RedHat does
not attempt to stymie the redistribution of their derivative works,
GRSecurity does.).

Previously to THIS MONTH there was a public source patch distributed, so
rights-holders may have felt the issue moot.

Now that has changed.

Very simple, but programmers don't seem to grasp such subtleties.

No, this is NOT the same discussion.

The license grant the Linux Kernel is distributed under disallows the
imposition of additional terms. The making of an understanding that the
derivative work must not be redistributed (lest there be retaliation) is
the imposition of an additional term. The communication of this threat
is the moment that GRSecurity violates the license grant. Thence-forth
modification, making of derivative works, and distribution of such is a
violation of the Copyright statute. The concoction of the transparent
scheme shows that it is a willful violation, one taken in full knowledge
by GRSecurity of the intention of the original grantor.

On 2017-06-15 17:49, Xen wrote:

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By silver.bullet at 06/15/2017 - 15:18

Hi,

I got responses from two Ubuntu devel discuss admins. They informed
me that this person already is moderated by this list. One of them
replied: "If you continue to see it on ubuntu-users, and don't hear
from that list's owners, please email <a href="mailto: ... at ubuntu dot com"> ... at ubuntu dot com</a> for a Canonical
sysadmin to stop it there too."

Please, set the moderation flag or completely ban
<a href="mailto: ... at airmail dot cc"> ... at airmail dot cc</a> from <a href="mailto:ubuntu- ... at lists dot ubuntu.com">ubuntu- ... at lists dot ubuntu.com</a>, too.

In the meantime another Ubuntu users subscriber tries to explain what
mistakes this particular <a href="mailto: ... at airmail dot cc"> ... at airmail dot cc</a> made [1], but also
without success.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:49:27 +0200, Xen wrote:
Most of us, if not all of us, as well tried to be friendly to
<a href="mailto: ... at airmail dot cc"> ... at airmail dot cc</a> ;).

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By Kevin O'Gorman at 06/15/2017 - 15:24

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Ralf Mardorf <silver. ... at zoho dot com>
wrote:

[rt.ubuntu.com #29953] Re: Why does no one care th

By silver.bullet at 06/15/2017 - 15:32

Thank you,

I sent my request around a minute before you informed us, that the
account is moderated.

The ticket #29953 already is opened, but no further action is required,
so I Cc'ed to <a href="mailto: ... at ubuntu dot com"> ... at ubuntu dot com</a> .

Regards,
Ralf

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By Xen at 06/15/2017 - 14:49

<a href="mailto: ... at airmail dot cc"> ... at airmail dot cc</a> schreef op 15-06-2017 20:36:
Nothing changed, person. If I was not concerned back then, I will not be
concerned now. If your actions helped produce the effect you now
complain about, you have yourself to thank for that.

If this person closed his source in response to people like you who were
trying to undo his business, that is your own fault, and as such, since
you are part of the evolution of this issue, the situation is still the
same as back then.

Just because you hurl more stones and someone else builds more walls,
doesn't make it any different.

If you didn't want him to build walls, maybe you shouldn't have been
throwing stones.

Anyway this is my last message here about this subject, if you want to
discuss this with me, take it private, but you won't really find much
more sympathy than you did last December ;-).

I thought I was sympathetic enough actually.

But I end this here because people don't want to see it.

Regards.

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By Tom H at 06/15/2017 - 12:45

Why should we care?

And more importantly, why should we care within the context of ubuntu-users@?!

Please take this elsewhere.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM, < ... at airmail dot cc> wrote:

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By aconcernedfossdev at 06/15/2017 - 12:49

Because some of you on this list may very well be linux kernel
contributors and this is a fairly new development (month old) of a
developing issue (1 year old). It's crossed the Rubicon now though and
it's time for a joint filing. It is time to _SUE_.

On 2017-06-15 16:45, Tom H wrote:

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By W. Scott Lockwo... at 06/15/2017 - 13:04

Take this crap to LKML where ALL the kernel developers who matter, are.

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By aconcernedfossdev at 06/15/2017 - 15:13

Nice to know you view legal matters as "crap".

What does that make those who work in the legal field, oh queen?

On 2017-06-15 17:04, W Stacy Lockwood wrote:

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By Jonathan Hudson at 06/15/2017 - 13:16

"Airmail is an invite-only E-mail server focused toward professionals
and E-mail enthusiasts. To report abuse please E-mail ... at airmail dot cc."

LKML appear to have already taken appropriate action.

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By W. Scott Lockwo... at 06/15/2017 - 13:22

Sounds like problem solved to me, then.

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By aconcernedfossdev at 06/15/2017 - 15:15

The problem will be solved when you're sued for Libel, W. Stacy Lockwood

On 2017-06-15 17:22, W Stacy Lockwood wrote:

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By W. Scott Lockwo... at 06/15/2017 - 15:16

Hahahaha! Bring it! Useless turd.

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By Tom H at 06/15/2017 - 12:54

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:49 PM, < ... at airmail dot cc> wrote:
People who contribute to linux are on lkml and related lists.

Go ahead and use but please leave this list to Ubuntu support and
ubuntu-devel-discuss@ to Ubuntu development!

Re: Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is bla

By Liam Proven at 06/15/2017 - 11:50

On 15 June 2017 at 17:34, < ... at airmail dot cc> wrote:

Firstly, this is not the place.

Second, all you have posted is a rant. I don't know who Brad Spengler
is, nor GR Security, nor of what he or they may or may not be doing.

So instead of ranting, write a blog post, *explain* briefly what you
feel that they are doing, with evidence and citations. Then, post it
on Hacker News, Slashdot, places like that. Get a discussion going.

Meanwhile, please keep your anonymous ad-hom attacks off support or
development mailing lists. They are not welcome here.