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Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== Next phase approval ==

Next phase proposal [1] is being voted on by the Council — only positive
votes so far!

== Feedback Pipeline ==

A few new features developed!

1/ A history chart for base images [2] is now being generated — includes
data since 25 September. It's a bit rough initial implementation, but it's
there!
2/ All tables are now data tables that support sorting and filtering.

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== Next phase approval ==

Next phase proposal [1] to be voted on by Council, starting tomorrow.

Feedback still collected in the PR [2].

== Polkit and Mojzs ==

Finished investigation and send recommended changes to postgresql
container and rpm team.
- Investigated pokit ( .5 MB) and mozjs60 (30 MB)
-- mozjs only needed for configurations
-- Two major proposals in the past trying to fix the problem.
--- Use duktape ( .7MB ) for javascript
--- Use a different format but maintain compatibility
-- Need to talk to fedora/r

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== Next phase proposed ==

The next phase has been proposed [1] [2] to the Council and feedback is
being collected. A formal vote happens in two weeks.

== PostgreSQL ==

Started talking to the maintainers about removing systemd, python2, and to
consider skipping weak dependencies in the container use case.

== How to get involved ==

See if there is anything interesting to you on action plan [42], or reach
out with something you think is useful but is missing there.

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== Next phase definition ==

I'm putting together a proposal for the next phase approval. I've made a
Logic Model [1] so far, more is coming soon. See the issue [2] to get more
updates and to give feedback which is very welcome.

== Splitting out systemd-sysusers ==

We still don't want Systemd in containers [3].

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== Regular meeting canceled ==

We have decided to cancel the regular Minimization Team Meeting [1] as we
prefer async discussions on #fedora-devel and ... at lists dot fp.o. This makes
it more inclusive to people with other commitments or being in timezones
that prevent them attending the meeting at that specific time.

== systemd-sysusers vs. containers ==

We don't want Systemd in containers [2], but we recognise this is a
container-specific problem.

The last regular Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-09-25

<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimization.2019-09-25-15.00.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimization.2019-09-25-15.00.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimizati...</a>
Minutes (text):
<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimization.2019-09-25-15.00.txt" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimization.2019-09-25-15.00.txt">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimizati...</a>
Log:
<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimization.2019-09-25-15.00.log.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimization.2019-09-25-15.00.log.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-25/minimizati...</a>

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#fedora-meeting-1: Minimization Team Meeting
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Meeting started by asamalik at 15:00:10 UTC.

Reminder meeting : Minimization Team Meeting

Dear all,

You are kindly invited to the meeting:
Minimization Team Meeting on 2019-09-25 from 15:00:00 to 16:00:00 GMT
At <a href="mailto:fedora-meeting- ... at irc dot freenode.net">fedora-meeting- ... at irc dot freenode.net</a>

The meeting will be about:
Meeting of the Fedora Minimization Team

Source: <a href="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/" title="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/">https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/</a>

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== systemd-sysusers ==

Many packages pull in Systemd because of systemd-sysusers to create new
users. This is fine in traditional setups where there already is Systemd,
but for containers, that means pulling additional 60MB just to create a new
user.

This is being discussed.

Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-09-18

<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimization.2019-09-18-15.01.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimization.2019-09-18-15.01.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimizati...</a>
Minutes (text):
<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimization.2019-09-18-15.01.txt" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimization.2019-09-18-15.01.txt">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimizati...</a>
Log:
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#fedora-meeting-1: Minimization Team Meeting
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Meeting started by asamalik at 15:01:28 UTC.

Reminder meeting : Minimization Team Meeting

Dear all,

You are kindly invited to the meeting:
Minimization Team Meeting on 2019-09-18 from 15:00:00 to 16:00:00 GMT
At <a href="mailto:fedora-meeting- ... at irc dot freenode.net">fedora-meeting- ... at irc dot freenode.net</a>

The meeting will be about:
Meeting of the Fedora Minimization Team

Source: <a href="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/" title="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/">https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/</a>

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== Use case analysis ==

Removing Systemd dependency from container use cases:

* Pull request to drop systemd as a runtime requirement [1]

* Pull request to drop systemd as a runtime requirement [2]
* They have one binary that requires systemd, will have a further
discussion with them to figure out how to shrink the container/runtime size

* Pull request to move flatpack-libs from anaconda-core to anaconda-gui [3]
* Determined that flatpack-libs was in the correct space

-- mariadb

Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-09-11

<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-11/minimization.2019-09-11-15.00.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-11/minimization.2019-09-11-15.00.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-11/minimizati...</a>
Minutes (text):
<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-11/minimization.2019-09-11-15.00.txt" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-11/minimization.2019-09-11-15.00.txt">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-11/minimizati...</a>
Log:
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#fedora-meeting-1: Minimization Team Meeting
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Meeting started by asamalik at 15:00:27 UTC.

Reminder meeting : Minimization Team Meeting

Dear all,

You are kindly invited to the meeting:
Minimization Team Meeting on 2019-09-11 from 15:00:00 to 16:00:00 GMT
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The meeting will be about:
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Source: <a href="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/" title="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/">https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/</a>

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== Feedback Pipeline ==

A prototype is live [1]!

It shows packages and an overall size of use cases we are focusing on,
installed on top of various Fedora bases.

In addition to showing the current status, it will be also pushing package
lists into git.

Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-09-04

<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimization.2019-09-04-15.00.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimization.2019-09-04-15.00.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimizati...</a>
Minutes (text):
<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimization.2019-09-04-15.00.txt" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimization.2019-09-04-15.00.txt">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimizati...</a>
Log:
<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimization.2019-09-04-15.00.log.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimization.2019-09-04-15.00.log.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-04/minimizati...</a>

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#fedora-meeting-1: Minimization Team Meeting
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Meeting started by asamalik at 15:00:33 UTC.

Reminder meeting : Minimization Team Meeting

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The meeting will be about:
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Source: <a href="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/" title="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/">https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/</a>

Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-08-28

<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-08-28/minimization.2019-08-28-15.00.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-08-28/minimization.2019-08-28-15.00.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-08-28/minimizati...</a>
Minutes (text):
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Log:
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#fedora-meeting-1: Minimization Team Meeting
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Meeting started by asamalik at 15:00:40 UTC.

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

Status: Discovery phase

== Toolbox ==

The 'showme' tool got renamed to 'rpm-showme' to make it more discoverable.
It has been also moved to a new repository of the same name [1].

New features:

* report — generates an html report [2] [3] comparing multiple installations
* list — simply lists all packages of a given installation
* size — prints the total size of all packages in a given installation

See the README in the repository [1] for more details.

== Feedback Pipeline ==

Prototyping Feedback Pipeline — active monitoring and reporting of

Reminder meeting : Minimization Team Meeting

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Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-08-21

<a href="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-08-21/minimization.2019-08-21-15.00.html" title="https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-08-21/minimization.2019-08-21-15.00.html">https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-08-21/minimizati...</a>
Minutes (text):
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Log:
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Meeting started by asamalik at 15:00:27 UTC.

Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-08-14

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Minutes (text):
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Log:
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Meeting started by asamalik at 15:00:03 UTC.

Minimization Objective report

This is the Minimization Objective [0] update.

== Regular meeting ==

Team meeting every Wednesday 15:00 GMT (find it in the SIGs calendar [1]).

== Discoveries ==

A new discoveries page [2] created that will contain random useful
discoveries.

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<a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/minimization/team/" title="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/minimization/team/">https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/minimization/team/</a>

Source: <a href="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9596/" title="https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9596/">https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9596/</a>

New graphical dependency visualiser prototype

I wrote a script to visualise dependencies of RPM installations [1]. It
supports file paths and container images as an input.

The script generates a graph of packages and their relations including
sizes of all individual packages and some basic clustering. Clicking on a
package highlights its relations to other packages. [2]

Hopefully this will be useful for the Minimization objective [3].

[1] <a href="https://pagure.io/minimization/dependency-visualiser" title="https://pagure.io/minimization/dependency-visualiser">https://pagure.io/minimization/dependency-visualiser</a>
[2] <a href="https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/showme/fedora-base-image.svg" title="https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/showme/fedora-base-image.svg">https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/showme/fedora-base-image.svg</a>
[3] <a href="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/minimization/" title="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/minimization/">https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/minimization/</a>

Minimization Objective report

Congratulations!

Join the new Minimization Team

Hi everyone!

I'm starting a Minimization Objective [1] focusing on minimising the
installation size of some of the popular apps, runtimes, and other pieces
of software in Fedora.

And there is a new Minimization Team [2] forming. Members of the team will
consult and work with Fedora maintainers, develop tooling and services,
generate reports showing the status of the Fedora ecosystem and a
comparison with other ecosystems, etc. The goal is to build an environment
where it's easy for our maintainers to keep things small over time, it's
not just a one-off effort.

Modularity vs. libgit

So, I'd like to discuss the libgit issue [1] [2] we're experiencing. With a
help of a few people, I've put together this post to get us on common
ground: <a href="https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-vs-libgit/" title="https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-vs-libgit/">https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-vs-libgit/</a>

There are few ideas about solving the issue right now. But we might be able
to think about better ways to deal with similar issues long-term. Let's do
this!

[1] <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1717117" title="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1717117">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1717117</a>
[2] <a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2146#comment-575852" title="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2146#comment-575852">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2146#comment-575852</a>

Modularity question for packagers about rolling/latest/stable/master streams

Some modules now use "latest", "stable", or "master" as stream names for
various different things.

Bringing order to the confusing module stream and profile names

There are module streams named 'latest', 'stable', or 'master', but it's
not quite clear what exactly those mean. Some modules even have the
'master' and the 'latest' streams at the same time which feels quite
confusing.

In a similar manner, there are various unclear profile names, too.
Especially the one called 'default', not always being the default profile.
I see a module having three profiles called 'default', 'client' and
'server', and the 'server' is the default.